430 band RFI measurements.
last updated 14dec06
14dec06:
large birdies at 418.625 and 419.2 Mhz
04oct06 - az,za encoder 614 Khz comb
seen at 430Mhz
29may06:
430 yagi, linefeed see the birdies with 1 minute periodicity.
06dec05 Ac units in dome
cause birdies at 430Mhz
02dec05:
birdies at 430 Mhz with 1 minute periods.
08oct04: 430Mhz filter in front of dewar
removes tv station intermods.
30jul03: 422 to 442 filter after
dewar does not get rid of tv station intermods
19jun03 430 birides vs az, Tv station
intermods.
More on the 426.25
Mhz birdie (doppler shift birdie via the azimuth spin)
23oct02 410 Mhz birdies.
11apr01 430 dome. Multimeter
inside new rfi enclosure.
22jan01 See if vittara jeep by the
control room makes rfi in 430 rcvr.
01/06dec06 large birdies
near 419Mhz saturate receiver
430 aeronomy runs have seen a large birdie that saturates
the receiver chain with a frequency near 419 Mhz. Data was taken with the
430 dome and the interim correlator on 01dec06 and 06dec06 to check this
out.
06dec06: large birdie at 419.2 Mhz
The birdie was seen intermittantly between 12:30 and
14:30 AST on 06dec06. The telescope was sitting at az=312.2, za=10. This
was the only time it was seen. It was not seen during a few hours of monitoring
on 01dec06 or 30nov06. It was also not seen in any of the x111 data taken
during nov06,dec06 (about 11 1 minute integrations spread over midnite
to 10am).
The plots show the
characteristics of the 419.2 Mhz Birdie (.ps) (.pdf):
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Page 1 Top 5 minute averages: 30 5 minute spectral averages
are overplotted. Black is polA, red is polB (the feed is circular).
The birdie was not resolved in the 24 Khz channel widths (after hanning
smoothing). The amplitude of the birdie averaged over 5 minutes got up
to about 12000 times Tsys. Since the birdie was not on all the time, the
actual strength was greater (see below).
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Page 1 Bottom the strength of the birdie channel. The strength
of the single birdie channel (averaged over 5 minutes) is plotted. It reached
a peak during the 5 minute average at 14.36 (14:21 ast).
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Page 2 top birdie channel strength 1 sec resolution: This plots
the 24 Khz channel at 419.2 Mhz vs time with 1 second resolution. The vertical
scale is now db's above Tsys. The constant value of 50 db probably
means that the system was saturated. The slow rise of Tsys around the green
dashed line is the galaxy passing through the beam.
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Page 2 bottom how long did the birdie stay on. This plot shows how
long the birdie stayed on (within the 1 second integration). The most common
duration was 3 seconds. At 14.3 hours it stayed on for 25 seconds at a
time.
01dec06: large birdie at 418.625 Mhz.
The 418.625 Mhz birdie was seen for about 1 hour between
11:30 and 12:30 AST on 01dec06 (after this time the frequency was changed
so we have no data). 1 second spectra were taken as well has baseband data
with 100 Khz bandwidth. The 1 second spectra have 48 Khz resolution (after
hanning smoothing).
The plots show the
418.625 Mhz birdie in the 1 second averaged spectra (.ps) (.pdf):
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Top a 1 second spectra. Black in polA and red is polB. The dashed
green line is at 418.625 Mhz. The birdie has not been resolved in the 48
Khz channel. For some reason polA is a lot stronger than polB (even
though the main beam of the feed is circular).
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Middle the time variation of the birdie. This shows the 48 Khz channel
at 418.625 Mhz vs time (with 1 second resolution). The birdie gets up to
about 7000 times Tsys.
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Bottom how long the birdie stayed on. This shows how long the birdie
stayed on vs time. The most common duration was 3 seconds.
Baseband data with 100 Khz bandwidth was taken after
the 1 second data above. The spectra were computed using 100 Hz resolution
(1K transforms). This gave a new spectra every 10 millseconds.
The image shows the
dynamic spectra of 10 seconds worth of data (.gif):
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The birdie turned on twice in the 10 seconds. The ghost at 418.75 is probably
instrumental. The birdie has a carrier and then a modulation phase. Some
of the properties are:
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The birdie is on for 2.07 seconds.
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The modulation is on for .53 seconds
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The birdies are spaced by 5.55 seconds. This is a little different than
the 1 second data.
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It does not look like this system was going into saturation during this
time. The data was taken through the radar interface with a 12 bit a/d
converter (the 1 second averaged data used the 9 level correlator).
The final plot shows the birdie spectra averaged over
a single pulse
when the modulation was on and when it was off (.ps) (.pdf):
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The black trace is averaged over 50 milliseconds when the modulation
was on. The red trace was averaged over 67 milliseconds when the modulation
was off. The vertical scale is db's above Tsys. It got up to about 50 Db
(being on during the entire time). It is about 2.4 Khz when the modulation
is off and 9 Khz when the modulation is on. This data was probably not
saturated.
Summary:
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A birdie at 419.2 Mhz was seen on 06dec06.
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The birdie was not resolved with a 24 Khz channel width.
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Within a 1 second spectra the strength got up to 50 db above
Tsys ( in a 24 Khz channel width).
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The receiver system (using the interim correlator saturated during the
birdie).
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04oct06 - az,za encoder
614 Khz comb seen at 430Mhz (top)
The az,za encoders were found to generate a comb with
a spacing of 614 khz. A new encoder was installed on 02aug06. It was later
found that the comb from the "newer" encoder is a lot stronger than the
old one.
project a2125 was using the dome to do 430 Mhz mapping.
The setup was 1024 channels over 12.5 Mhz. Data was taken with the
new encoder (04oct06 pm) and with the old encoder (05oct06 pm). For each
nite a single strip was averaged. The za was chosen so that the za's were
at higher za (where the comb is stronger).The plots show how the
strength of the comb decreased when the new encoder was replaced
(.ps) (.pdf):
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Top: average of 1 strip (135 1 second samples). Black is the new encoder
(05oct06 am) and red is the old encoder (06oct06 am). The green vertical
lines are at the comb frequency (computed from the 327 Mhz data).
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Middle: A vertical blowup of the top plot. The red old encoder has
been offset vertically to compare the two days. Most of the small spike
(at the comb frequency) are gone on 06oct06.
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Bottom: Blowup of the 432.539 Mhz comb element. This was the strongest
430 Comb element seen in the lab (with the new encoder). The birdie at
432.539 decreased, but so did the birdie at 432.575 Mhz. These are probably
some other birdies (not coming from the encoders).
The two strips were not at the same az,za so some of the comb change could
be do to the az,za dependence of the comb.
processing: x101/061005/comb)614khz_430_a2125.pro
06dec05
Ac units in dome cause birdies at 430Mhz (top)
The Ac units in the dome have a digital control that
caused rfi. This rfi was seen as a 1
Mhz comb in the 327 Mhz receiver. Turning the Ac off with the remote
control does not make the birdies go away since the digital remote control
in the ac unit is still on. You need to turn off the power to the ac unit
for the birdies to stop.
On 06dec05 data was taken with the interim correlator.
A switch had been installed allowing you to turn off the power to the old
AC unit in the dome. We took data with the AC on, AC off, and then AC on.
The results are:
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A dynamic
spectra of the 1000 seconds of data shows the birdies. The Old
Ac was turned off around 360 seconds and turned back on at 748 seconds.
The dashed horizontal lines bracket when the old Ac was off. You can see
the rfi that stopped when the old AC was off. The strongest are spaced
2 Mhz apart (missing the even harmonics).
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Median
spectra when the AC was on and Off (.ps) (.pdf):
The median spectra was computed for when the Ac was off (black lines) and
when the Ac was on (red lines). The green lines are spaced every 1 Mhz
anchored at 418.52 Mhz. The vertical scale is in units of Tsys (about 60K).
The Ac off spectra is offset by -.002 Tsys for display purposes. The strongest
birdies are at 418.5 and 424.53 Mhz.
The Ac units are causing problems at 430 Mhz (as well
as 327). The plots/images show another 1 Mhz comb that is still present
when the OldAc is turned off. This is coming from the newer Ac unit (that
was left running when this test was done). The 327 tests showed that the
frequencies of the comb will wander by up to 100 kHz so the frequencies
reported can vary. Hopefully we will replace the digital units in the Ac's
with an analog one.
processing: x101/051206/430.pro
02dec05: birdies at 430 Mhz with 1
minute periods. (top)
Project A2125 was doing mapping at 430 Mhz. The data
showed some time dependent birdies. On 02dec05 i took some data with the
interim correlator and the 430 dome receiver. The setup was:
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25 Mhz bw, 2048 channels, 1 sec dumps, cfr of 430.
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Data was taken for about 2 hours while sitting at az=270, za=10.
The plots show the birdies seen during this session:
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Dynamic
spectra for 300 seconds, polA (.gif): This image is spectral density
(time vs freq). The small dots are the time variable rfi. The short lines
at the bottom of the plot are added to show where these birdies occur (some
of the weaker periodic birdies were not flagged).
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Time
and frequency extent of birdies (.ps) (.pdf):
The top plot shows the power in the 429.89 Mhz birdie vs time. It lasts
for 3 samples so the time duration of the signal is about 2 seconds. The
bottom plot shows a spectral blowup of this same birdie. The freq. resolution
(after hanning smoothing) is 24 Khz. The fwhm is about 3.5 channels so
the birdie is about 30 khz wide.
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Time
periodicity of channels over 1500 seconds (.gif): The spectra from
the first 1500 seconds of data was interpolated in time and then
fft'd along the time direction. The image shows periodicity vs Rf frequency.
The vertical scale is in milliHz. The horizontal dashed lines are plotted
ever 16.66 milliHz (1/60. seconds). You can see strong periodic combs
around 422-423 Mhz, 430 Mhz, and 432.5 Mhz. These channels have birdies
that have a 1 minute period. There are also some channels that have a weaker
1 minute periodicity (but do not show up well in this image).
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Birdie
power vs time for 140 minutes (.ps) (.pdf):
Thirteen freq. channels with 1 minute periodicity were selected. The power
in the channels were averaged over 7 freq. channels and then plotted versus
time:
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Fig 1: all 140 minutes. Each color is a different birdie. The top plot
is polA while the bottom plot is polB. This data taking session started
at about 9 am. You can see that the birdies were stronger at the beginning
of the run. Looking at the data toward the end of the run, the periodic
birdies were still seen at some of the frequencies. The gaps in the data
are where no data was taken (between scans).
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Fig 2: This is a blowup in time of fig 1 showing the first 5 minutes of
data. The dotted lines in polA (top) show how the birdies are aligned in
time. You can see two groups. The first starts at 422.72 (lower black trace)
while the second group starts at 429.89 (light blue middle trace). The
nth birdie of each group occurs at the same time.
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Fig 3: (power in periodicity) vs period: For each birdie, 8500 seconds
of data was interpolated and then fft'd. The plot shows the power vs periodicity.
There is a comb with 16.6 millihz spacing (1/60 seconds). The width of
the comb was 1 channel (about .1 millihz) so the 60 second period is relatively
stable.
Summary of birdies:
| period |
1 minute |
| freq. width |
about 30 Khz |
| time Duration |
about 2 seconds |
| birdie groups |
4 birdies per group
rf spacing: .45,.1 .1 .1 Mhz
tm spacing in group: 13,7,26 seconds
each group repeats every 60 seconds. |
| group rf spacing |
7.2 Mhz between groups. |
birdie freq.
(strongest) |
422.72, 423.18, 423.25, 423.35 grp1
429.89, 430.31, 430.39, 430.48 grp2
432.67 |
| when appeared |
looking at the x111 data for oct/nov05 we had:
18oct05 : 2 scans worth of birdies
26nov05: birdies started to appear more regularly |
On 30nov05 A2125 also saw a group of birdies
at 432 Mhz. The 7.2 Mhz spacing looks close to the comb that is generated
by the alfa motor controller. The 1 minute birdies are also seen
at 327 Mhz (see 327
dynamic spectra of 3rd az swing). The dots around 318.6 are spaced
by 1 minute (20 deg azimuth = 1 minute in the plots).These were done with
the alfa motor controller turned of.
processing: x101/051202/430.pro
08oct03: Filter in front
of 430 dewar removes tv station intermods.
A filter was designed to remove the tv Stations a 475
and 523 Mhz. It was to be placed in front of the dewar. On 08oct04 the
filter was placed in front of the dewar of polA. PolB had no filter
in front of the dewar. An azimuth spin was done and intermods falling in
the 430 band caused by the tv stations was measured.
The plots show that the
intermods from the tv Stations are no longer present in polA (.ps).
processing: x101/Y04/051008/430.pro
30jul03 Insert 422
to 442 filter after the dewar.
On 30jul03 the 422 to 442 Mhz filters were installed
after the dewar and before the post amps. We wanted to see if the intermods
from the tv stations went away. The telescope was parked at an azimuth
that gave a peak for the tv intermods.
The plots show that the
tv intermods are still present with the filter after the dewar (.ps).
19jun03 430 birides vs az, Tv station
intermods. (top)
The 430 receivers were creating intermods from
2 tv stations:
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chn 14 F1Video=471.25 F1Audio=475.7
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chn 22 F2Video=519.25 F2Audio=523.75
The table below shows the possible intermods:
chan 14,22 intermods in 430 band
| combination |
freq |
| 2*F1Video - F2Audio |
418.75 |
| 2*F1Video - F2Video |
423.50 |
| 2*F1Audio - F2Audio |
427.75 |
| 2*F1Audio - F2Video |
432.25 |
We see the birdies at 427.75 and 432.25 clearly in the data. It
turns out that the 435.75 Mhz birdie is the 432.5 biridies aliased back
into the band.
The correlator was setup for 12.5 Mhz bandwidth
centered at 430 Mhz. The edges of the band are at 430 -/+6.25Mhz = 423.75
and 436.25 Mhz. The 423.25 intermod is .5 Mhz below the bottom of the band.
The digital filtering in the correlator is done on the complex i,q paths
separately. This causes aliases on one side of the band to appear on the
opposite. A birdie at .5 Mhz below the bottom of the band will alias into
.5 Mhz below the top of the band. So 423.25 will show up at (436.25-.5=
435.75Mhz). We see this birdie in the correlator data.
Azimuth swings were done to measure the directionality
of the birdies. The dome was set at 19 deg za and the azimuth was swung
from -90 to +270 degrees and then back to -70 deg moving at .4 degrees
per second. The correlator was setup to dump 1024 channels over 12.5 Mhz
once a second with the center freq set to 430 Mhz. The input data was then
hanning smoothed.
The average of each spin was computed and then a
fit was made to the bandpass using harmonic functions up to order 10*az
and a 3rd degree polynomial in az. Outliers were excluded from the fit
(see corautobl()). Each 1 second integration was bandpass corrected by
dividing by this fit and then subtracting 1 (so the units are Tsys).
The channel containing the peak of each birdie was plotted versus azimuth.
None of the birdies drifted in frequency.
The first plot shows the
average and peak spectra for the first az swing.
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Top: this is the average of the entire swing.
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middle: The peak value in each channel for the entire swing is plotted.
The spike at 427.75 continues up to 975.
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bottom: a blowup of the peak spectra.
The following plots show the Birdie strength vs az:
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426.25
Mhz birdie. This peaks at 300 degs az. It is not the tv station.
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427.75
Mhz birdie. Tv intermod 2*F1Audio-F2Audio
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432.0
Mhz birdie. No az dependance. It must be inside the
dome.
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425,426.84,
432.25, 435.26, 435.75 Mhz birdies.
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432.25 is 2F1Audo-F2Video.
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435.75 is the 423.5 birdie aliased to the other side of the 12.5 Mhz filter.
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426.84, 435.26 may be from other parts of the tv signal (color,etc..).
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425 Mhz may not be from the tv station. It does not have the strong spike
in polA at az=124 degrees.
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PolA lines up with az =124 for all the signals.
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PolB is a bit more scatterd.
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The 430 dome main beam is circularly polarized. These signal are coming
in the sidelobes and the polarization properties are probably different.
Since there are two separate transmitters at two different locations creating
these intermods, it may be that the two polarizations are sensitive to
different transmitters.
processing: x101/030619/corazspin.
More
on the 426.25 Mhz birdie (doppler shift birdie via the azimuth spin) (top)
To further investigate the 462.25 Mhz birdie, an azimuth
spin moving at .4 deg/sec was done with the dome at 19 deg za and the carriage
house at 17.6 deg. A 20Khz bandwidth centered at 426.24994 was baseband
sampled from the dome and the carriage house. The motion of the azimuth
will cause a doppler shift in the signal that can be seen by multiplying
the two complex signals together.
The maximum doppler shift will be: Dfrq=vel/C
* freq = .3014met/sec /C* 426.25e6.
or +/- .43 Hz. To see this shift, spectra were constructed from 12
seconds of data (giving 1/12.=.08hz resolution). The spectra were then
plotted vs azimuth. The image
shows the doppler shift versus az and the spectra vs time,az.
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Top: The cross spectra (fft(chVolt*grVolt) image shows +/- 5 hz on the
horizontal axis and -90 to 270 azimuth position on the vertical axis. You
can see a sine wave in the data with an amplitude close to .5 Hz. The minimum
is close to az=120 degrees. This puts the zero doppler at az=30. This should
be the location where the azimuth arm is pointing at the transmitter (doppler=0).
The amplitude peak of the spectra was at -60 degrees. This is 90 degrees
away from the birdie direction. It should also be noted that -60 degrees
lines the azimuth arm perpendicular to the T12,T8 side of the triangle.
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Center: This shows the spectral density (+/- 200 hz) of the dome signal
on the horizontal scale and time on the y axis. You can see the signal
chirp from 35 hz up to 110 hz and then back down in about 5 seconds. The
pattern repeats every 12 seconds. This sweep looks like a phase locked
loop that has become unlocked (see 100
Mhz reference comes unlock).
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Bottom. This is the same image as the center plot with the vertical scale
changed to azimuth direction. You can see the strong signal at an azimuth
of 300 degrees.
processing: x101/030619/riazspin.
23oct02 410 Mhz
birdies. (top)
A 408 to 412Mhz filter was put on the dome 430 system to do an experiment
at 410.5 Mhz. A number of narrow birdies were found close to this
value. They were narrow < 3 Khz width. Data was taken on 23oct02 and
24oct02 to characterize the birdies. The plots
show the 408 and 410 birdie behavior.
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Fig 1 frequency of the birdies. 101 second averages with dome
at 18 deg za and az at 270 deg.
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Fig 2 time variation of the 410.5249 birdie. 101 seconds with telescope
stationary. Red is polB, black is polA. The adjacent channels are
plotted in blue and green (blown up by 300 and 100). The birdies are varying
by up to 100 % during these 100 seconds.
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Fig 3 PolA azimuth variation of the signals. 4 Azimuth swings
were done with the dome at 18 degrees za and the azimuth moving at .4 degs/second.
The data was sampled once a second.
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Fig 4 PolB azimuth variation of the signals. 4 Azimuth swings
were done with the dome at 18 degrees za and the azimuth moving at .4 degs/second.
The data was sampled once a second.
On 25oct02 rey velez and I spent the day in the rfi van searching for the
410.5249 Mhz birdie. We finally located it coming from the navy transmitter
tower in aguada. There is the tall tower (1000'??) and two smaller towers.
We measured a strength of -48 dbm (using a 4 element yaggi and a 15 db
amp). Using the same setup from the platform we measured a maximum
strength of ? -70dbm??.
The location of the tower from our gps receiver
is: 18 24 12.1, 67 09 32.7 (probably 1/2 mile east of the tower). The observatory
is at: 18 20 39.44, 66 45 10 so the tower is west of the observatory.
This is the bearing we got using the yaggi from the top of the platform
(275 degrees). The azimuth swing gave a peak at 150 deg az and a smaller
one at 300 deg az. These are far from the 275 position of the transmitter.
The 150 az is 90 degrees from the cables that go to T8 (240 deg az).
It may be that the main cables from T8 to the platform are acting as a
radiator. The az=300 birdie is perpendicular to the T12,T8 beam of the
platform.
Since the signal is not constant in time, on/off
processing will no do a very good job of removing it. I might be interesting
to measure the signal in full polarization mode and then subtract the polarized
component of the signal (since it is probably highly polarized).
processing: x101/021023/doall.pro
23apr01
430 dome. Multimeter, power meter inside new rfi enclosure. (top)
The rfi enclosure (see 11apr01) was tested with the power meter and multimeter
inside the enclosure. The 2nd multimeter in cabinet 1 was turned off. The
receiver monitoring and power cables were hooked up to the the devices
inside the box via feed through connectors. The correlator was setup for
2048 channels and 195 Khz bw (95 hz/channel). 5 second integrations were
done and then the data was hanning smoothed. The acquisition sequence was:
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45 records: cabinet back door open, rfi box open, meters on.
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30 records: cabinet back door closed, rfi box open, meters on.
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60 records: cabinet back door closed, rfi box closed, meters on.
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60 records: cabinet back door closed, rfi box closed, meters off.
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120 records: cabinet back door closed, rfi box closed, meters on.
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60 records: cabinet back door closed, rfi box closed, meters off.
The 120 records with the meters off were used as a band pass correction.
200 channels adjacent to the power meter birdie at 433.325 Mhz were used
to correct for sky variations with time.
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The first
image shows the 195 Khz band with horizontal stripes where the changes
were made. The birdie at 433.325 is from the power meter. It completely
disappears only when the meters are turned off (4th section from the bottom).
The birdie at 433.351 also goes off when the meters are turned off.
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The second
image is a blowup in frequency of the first. You can see that the 433.325
birdie is still visible in the 3rd section from the bottom where everything
is closed up and the meters are on.
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The plots
show
the power in the 433.325 Mhz channel versus time. The data was normalized
to the average value for the 30 records when the back door was open (maximum
signal), divided by the average of 10 adjacent channels (to remove sky
variation), and then converted to db. It contains the power from the birdie
+ Tsys (about 60K). Closing the back door of the cabinet reduced the power
by 18 db. Closing the rfi box reduced it another 10 db. The bottom plot
shows there is about .1 to .4 db leakage with the rfi box all closed up.
Averaging the spectra in the 3rd section gave a birdie of about 2 Kelvins.
We need to redo the measurement placing an rfi tight cap on the gpib bus
cable to see if this is the remaining problem.
processing: x101/010423/doit.pro
11apr01 430
dome. Multimeter inside new rfi enclosure.
(top)
An rfi enclosure for the multi meters, power meter was placed inside
the right cabinet on the turret floor. The multi meter used to read
the receiver temperatures was put in the box and hooked up to the gpib
bus. The correlator was setup for 195 Khz by 2048 channels (95 hz channel
width). Integrations were done with the rfi box open and closed (both
times inside the right cabinet). An integration was also done with the
second multi meter in the left cabinet on to show the reference birdie.
A linear baseline was fit to the interference free part of the spectra
and then used to normalize the averages to Tsys. 60 deg Kelvin was used
to convert from fractions of Tsys to Kelvins.
The plot
shows:
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black - 1400 second integration with the multi meter in the rfi box. No
birdie is seen.
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red - 100 second integration with the 2nd multi
meter on in the left cabinet to show the birdie at 429.73993.
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blue - 400 second integration with the front panel
to the rfi box open. No birdie is seen.
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dark red - the baseline used to normalize the spectra.
It is interesting that we see no birdie from the multi meter in the
right rack even when the front to the rfi box is open.
processing: x101/010411/multimeter.pro
22jan01 Using the dome 430 Mhz system
to look at the vittara jeep parked by the control room. (top)
The vittara jeeps are not shielded and are often used in the parking
lot next to the control room. We tried to see if any rfi from the jeeps
was getting into the 430 dome receiver system. The dome was as az=350deg
and za=19deg. The jeep was as close to the control room as possible looking
toward the dome. The jeep was turned on at the minute and turned off at
the minute + 30 seconds. This was repeated for 7 minutes. The correlator
was set for 12.5Mhz bw, 1024 channels and readout at 1 second intervals.
Images were made of the spectral density function (frequency versus time).
(The images below are about 800Kb ps files). The solid lines in the images
are the start of a minute (jeep on) and the dash lines are the 30 seconds
(jeep off). (some of these lines were lost in the conversion from postscript
back to the screen).
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Figure 1
has the band pass normalized to the median band pass for the 420 seconds,
1 subtracted, and then clipped to +/- .02 Tsys. There is rfi and continuum
sources but nothing obvious from the jeep.
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Figure 2 is
also flatten by frequency channels 400 through 500. This gets rid of the
continuum sources (as well as any continuum from the jeep). There does
not appear to be any frequency dependent spikes correlated with the jeep
going on/off.
Looking at the total power versus time also does not show any obvious
correlation with the jeep. We need to redo the experiment with the jeep
in the beam (maybe at the fork before you get to the rim road).
processing: x101/010122/vittara.pro
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