327 band RFI measurements.
last updated 08nov11
03nov11: possible 2 Mhz comb in 327 Mhz band.
03nov11: check alfa motor controller rfi after cable
shielding.
01nov11:
power shutdown of visitors center.
10aug11: short duration
broadband
rfi seen by p2558 in the 327 rcvr.
10aug11: chris salters
list of rfi at 327,430 using telescope data.
10jun11: tested
compressor monitor on telescope 06jun11 using 327
09mar11:
az
dependence
of 327 rfi
02mar11: alfa motor, cameras, and distomat rfi.
09aug09: rfi from
azimuth encoders
11jun09: rfi from sband console/alfa motor.
18oct06:
looking
at
rfi created by axis 212 web camera.
03oct06:
614Khz
comb
(encoder combs)
18apr06:
the
750
Khz and 40 Khz 327 combs come from the sband console in the
dome.
16apr06:
750
Khz
and 39.45 Khz combs in 327 receiver
13apr06: testing the trenddata gigabit
switch for rfi.
28mar06:
look
at
new ac units in dome. Compare with comb from old unit.
16jan06:
28oct10
az
swings show birdies with 1 min periodicity
15jan06:
wide
band
look at Dome ac birdies in 327 Mhz rcvr.
14jan06:
3rd
harmonics
of fm stations appearing in band
10jan06:
placing
hipass,
bandpass filters before the 1st amp
02nov05
cleaning
up
the 327 Mhz band.
28oct05:
327
Mhz
birdies and their azimuth dependence.
21oct05: 327 Mhz spectral density
at output of 1st amplifier (before the rf filter)
16oct05
1
Mhz
comb in 327 receiver from both dome AC units
03jun05
16Khz
comb
in 327 receiver from alfa motor.
03dec03 327 Mhz comb from
sband
Tx Rack in dome
24nov03 comb at 327 Mhz.
24jul02 2 MHz comb in 327 Mhz
receiver
01dec03 327 Mhz comb coming from sb Tx
room
in dome.
03nov11: possible 2Mhz comb in 327
receiver.
A 110 second median spectra was taken with the 327
Mhz receiver. The setup and processing was:
- 327 rcvr centered at 327 Mhz with the 302 to 352 Mhz filter in.
- mock spectrometer with 6.9 Khz resolution was used.
- alfa motor contoller off. dome cameras on.
- a 50 term harmonic was fit to the average spectra and then used
to bandpass correct it. 1. was then subtracted.
- PolA and polB were then averaged.
The plots show the spectra for the
110 second integration (.ps) (.pdf):
- The plots were split up into 10 Mhz sections with .5 Mhz overlap.
- The solid red lines at the bottom of each plot are
spaced every 2 Mhz on the even Mhz.
- The solid green lines are birdies close to 2 Mhz multiples that
show an azimuth dependence, measured
09mar11.
- Each of the green flagged birdies has a different azimuth
dependence, so they are not coming from the same source.
- They are located at: 306,320,324,330.01,336,340,342,344.07,350
Mhz.
- There are still a number of 2 Mhz multiples that have a red
flagged birdie present. It is also possible that the green
flagged birdies are hiding a weaker 2 Mhz birdie that could
be part of the comb.
processing: x101/111103/alfamot.pro
03nov11: alfamotor (top)
The alfa motor cables had extra shielding added when
alfa was in the lab during sep11. on 03nov11 an rfi test
was done with the 327 rcvr to check the rfi being emitted by the alfa
motor controller. The setup was:
- The 327 receiver was centered at 327 MHz with the 302 to 352 Mhz
filter installed.
- The mock spectrometer was used with a 57 Mhz bw and 8192 channels
(6.9 Khz resolution). Data was dumped at 1 second intervals.
- The on,off sequence for the alfa motor controller was:
- 0 to 65 seconds - motor on
- 65 to 158 seconds - motor off
- 158 to 213 seconds - motor on
- 213 to end motor off
The dynamic spectra show the spectral density vs time:
- The horizontal dashed lines show where the motor was turned
off,on,off
- PolA entire band (.gif)
.
- This has been smoothed,decimated to 43 khz channel
resolution.
- 300.538 Mhz: solid rfi from 0 to 65 seconds. Goes away when
motor turned off
- 302.85 to 301.62 . Drifting birdie that occurs at 158 seconds
when motor turned back on. Disappears when motor turned off.
- PolB entire band (.gif)
. Smoothed decimated to 64 Khz channel resolution.
- No obvious rfi from motor controller in polB.
- PolA blowup
around rfi with 6.9 Khz resolution.
- You can more clearly see the 300.538 Mhz birdie as well as the
drifting birdie when it was turned back on.
SUMMARY:
- Shielding the alfa motor controller has gotten rid of many of the
birdies seen back in 02mar11.
- A birdie is still present near 300 Mhz.
- This is probably part of the 10 Mhz comb seen back on 02mar11
- When the controller is turned on a birdie appears at 302.85 Mhz
and drifts down toward 300 Mhz.
- Since rfi is still seen from the alfa motor controller it should
still be left off during 327 and probably 430 Mhz observations.
processing: x101/111103/alfamot.pro
02mar11: alfamotor,cameras, distomat
rfi (top)
On 02mar11 test were made to check the rfi from the
alfa motor controller as well as the dome cameras.
The setup was:
- 327 rcvr centered at 327 Mhz and the 302 to 352 Mhz filter (this
may actually be a straight thru connection).
- mock spectrometer with 57 Mhz bandwidth, 1 second dumps.
- Data was taken for about 400 seconds.During this time the alfa
motor controller was turned off, on a few times. The dome cameras were
also turned off and then on.
The dynamic spectra
shows the rfi vs time (.gif)
- The image has been bandpass corrected with the median value for
the 410 seconds.
- Any constant birdies will not show up.
- The horizontal dashed lines show where the devices were turned on
and off
-
records
|
action
|
80
|
alfa motor on
|
120
|
alfa motor off
|
150
|
cameras on
|
182
|
cameras off
|
210
|
alfa motor on
|
252
|
camera on
|
283
|
camera off
|
302
|
alfa motor off
|
- there is a 10 Mhz comb: 300,310,320,330 coming from the alfa
motor controller
- There is a 7.5 Mhz comb that drifts to lower frequency when the
alfa motor controller turned on.
- the cameras have a comb at 14.3 Mhz spacing
- the 315 Mhz rfi at 200 and 320 seconds
- has pair of rfi spaced by 70 Khz
- spaced in time by 120 seconds
- This is coming from the distomats
The plots show the
average spectra for the on and offs (.ps) (.pdf):
- Each plot has been normalized by a harmonic fit to the median
bandpass during the off.
- Constant birdies (in the on and off) will remain).
- The vertical scale is tsys units.
- Page 1: alfa motor off (black) and alfa motor on (red)
- Top is polA, bottom is polB
- The off has been shifted left by -.05 Mhz so you can see if the
on and off's overlay each other.
- Page 2: cameras off (black) and cameras on (red)
- top polA, bottom PolB
- The green lines show the 3 camera birdies at 315.0, 329.30
(weaker), and 343.64
Summary:
- The alfa motor controller is making rfi at 327 Mhz
- There is a 10 MHz comb: 300, 310... 350.
- There is a 7.5 Mhz comb that drifts to lower frequency when the
device is powered up
- The dome cameras are making rfi at: 315,329.30,343.64 (343.64 is
the strongest) (14.3 Mhz comb)
- The distomats are make rfi at 315. Mhz.
processing: 110302/327rfi.pro
11jun09: rfi from sband console, alfa motor (top)
A strong comb was seen in the 327 rcvr around the
end of may09. It
had a 750 Khz spacing which pointed to the sband console. Data was
taken on 01jun09 while various equipment was turned on/off. The setup
was:
- 327 receiver
- interim correlator with 25 Mhz Bw centered at 320 Mhz with 2048
channels.
- 1 second dumps for 1350 seconds.
- az,za set at :285,11.
The sequence of equipment on off was (by record
number):
- 0 all on
- 155: cameras in dome turned off
- 318: alfa motor turned off
- 421: sband console breaker turned off
- 483: sband console breaker back on
- 1150: sband breaker off
- 1196: cameras back on
- 1277: alfa motor back on.
The dynamic spectra for the sequence
is shown in the img (.gif) :
- It looks like cameras off make a big difference at rec 155, but
the rfi did not come back when the cameras were turned on at rec 1187
so it was probably just a coincidence
- at 318 the alfa motor was turned off and the drifting
birdie at 324.5 disappeared. When the motor was turned back on at rec
1277, a 7 Mhz comb appeared at 315. It drifted rapidly.
- 421-483: turning off the sband console breaker got rid of the 750
Khz comb.
The next plot shows a spectral
average of the sband console on and off (.ps) (.pdf) :
- Top: spectral average of records 532-1132 with the sband console
on. The vertical scale is tsys units.
- Bottom: blow up of spectral average with sb console on (black)
and sb console off (red). The green vertical lines show the location of
the sband console comb.
- The 320 Mhz birdie was still there when the console was turned
off so it was not coming from the sband console.
- The strongest comb element was 312 Mhz. It had a strength of
4*Tsys in a channel width of 24Khz (after hanning smoothing).
11jun09: after shielding the console:
Victor and rey worked on shielding the sband console
after this data was taken. A second test was done on 11jun09 to see the
results. The setup was:
- az,za set to 190,11.
- mock spectrometer used with a bw of 34 Mhz centered at 327 using
8K channels and .1 second dumps.
- the sband breaker was switched on/off. the record numbers were:
- rec 0: off
- rec 50: on
- rec 102:off
- rec 150: on
- rec 205: off
- rec 254: on
- The data processing averaged to 1 second and decimated the
spectra to 1024 take a peak hold within the 8 decimated channels.
The image shows the 327 dynamic
spectra while the sb console was turned on/off (.gif):
- There is no obvious on/off seen when the sband breaker is
thrown.. So the shielding must have corrected the problem.
Summary:
- The 750 Khz comb from the sband console was removed after the
shielding of the cabinet was upgraded.
- The alfa motor controller is still generating birdies at 327 Mhz.
processing: x101/090601/327rfi.pro,
090611/chksbrfi.pro
13apr06: testing the
trenddata
gigabit switch for rfi. (top)
A trend data gigabit Ethernet switch (teg-s41sx) was
tested for rfi. This switch has 1 fiber port and 4 copper ports. During
the testing there was nothing connected to the switch (except the
power).
In the screened room rfi was seen from the switch beyond 2 Ghz. The
strongest
birdie was at 476 Mhz. It was stronger than 50 db above the noise floor
of the
sbt250 spectrum analyzer (the resolution bandwidth was about 300
hz).
On 13apr06 data was taken with the 327 receiver
on the telescope and the interim correlator. The switch was located in
the parking lot next to the control room inside the rfi van. It had a
clear
shot to the telescope through the front window or the van. The azimuth
was positioned to az=242, za=18 (the 1400
Mhz birdie from the wapps is a maximum here). The correlator was
set
to 390 Khz bandwidth and 2048 channels. After hanning smoothing the
resolution
bandwidth was 380 hz. 180 1 second integrations were made.
The data taking started with the switch on. It was
turned off at second 80. It was turned back on at second 125. It was
shut
off again at second 166.
- The first image (polA) shows the
390
khz
band for the 180 seconds (.gif).
- The birdie is at 335.9367 hz. You can see it come and go as we
switched
the switch on and off.
- The majority of the other birdies are a comb with a
spacing
of
39.5 Khz
- The second image is a 50
Khz
blowup
centered on the birdie (.gif):
- A plot of the
1 second spectra as well as the total power of the birdie channel
(.ps) (.pdf):
- The top frame overplays the 180 1 second spectra (with an
offset for
plotting).
There is a drift of about 1 channel (380 hz) in the spectra. It is
probably
a thermal shift when the switch is off and then turned back on.
- The bottom frame plots the birdie channel (average of 2
channels about
the peak). The black plot is polA while the red plot is polB. The times
when the switch was turned on and off are flagged. Pol A is stronger
than
polB. The strongest is about 11 times Tsys in an 380 hz channel width.
Tsys for the 327 receiver is about 120 K.
Conclusions:
- The gigabit switch with no link active makes rfi through 2
ghz.
- The majority of the rfi is coming from the fiber to copper
converter
port.
- The strongest rfi is at 476 Mhz. It is 50 db above a 700 K noise
floor
in 300 Hz resolution bandwidth when a probe is set on the device.
- When the switch is placed in the parking lot next to the control
room,
a birdie at 335.9367 Mhz can be seen in the 327 receiver. It is 11
times
tsys in a 380 Hz channel. It was stronger in polA than in polB. This
was
the strongest birdie in the 327 Mhz band when looking at the switch in
the screened room.
processing: x101/060413/rfi.pro
21oct05: 327
Mhz
spectral density at output of 1st amplifier (before the rf filter). (top)
The output of the 327 Mhz receiver after the first
amplifier
was measured with the Tektronix ybt250 portable spectrum analyzer. The
signal was taken after the first amp and before the rf filter
(the
filter limits the band to 30 Mhz about 325 Mhz). The telescope was at
an
az of 270 and a za of 8.46 degrees. Data was taken covering 0 to 1000
Mhz
and then 0 to 500 Mhz. At each band a regular sweep and a peak hold of
about 1 minute were recorded. This was done for polA and polB. The
plots
show that television
stations
are
the largest signals in the receiver band (.ps) (.pdf):
- Top: this covers 30 Mhz to 1000 Mhz. The black and red are the
single
sweeps
for polA and polB. The green and blue are the one minute peak holds for
polA and polB. The largest birdie in the band is 471.25. This is the
video
carrier for tv channel 14. The next two largest birdies are 519.25 (tv
channel 22) and 187.25 (tv channel 9).
- Bottom: the 30 Mhz to 500 Mhz measurements.
On 20oct05 we saw intermittent
intermods/harmonics
in the 327 Mhz band that included the fm station 107.3 (3rd
harmonic
at 322) and intermods with a tv station and 107.3 (we heard the fm
station
in the IF signal). The power levels measured above do not look
like
they should be driving the first amp into compression.
The 1 minute peak hold has values that are up to
10 db stronger than the single sweep values so the levels are time
variable.
There is most likely an azimuth dependence to the birdies. It still
looks
like a good idea to put an rf filter before the first amplifier (since
the receiver isn't cooled).
processing: x101/051021/327.pro
03dec03 327 Mhz comb
from
sband Tx Rack in dome. (top)
The 327 Mhz comb
(with
372 kHz spacing) is coming from the sband transmitter cabinet in the
dome.
Rey velez noted that the fingers for making contact between the door
and
the cabinet were not working. Data was taken with the correlator while
the sband rack was on and off. 1 second dumps were done using a 24 kHz
resolution and a 190 Hz resolution (after hanning smoothing). A
bandpass
correction was fit to an average of the band passes when the rack was
powered
off. The plots show the 327
MHz comb when the sband rack was power on and off. The door from
the
sband transmitter room to the stairwell was open during these test.
- Fig 1 . A 30 second average with the rack on. The top plot has 24
kHz
resolution
while the bottom plot has 190 Hz. The vertical units are Tsys.
- Fig 2. The 30 second average with the rack on (black) followed by
a 30
second integration when the rack was off (red). The top plot has 24 kHz
resolution while the bottom plot has 190 Hz. You can see that turning
the
rack on created many birdies and it raised the entire continuum level
by
about 10%.
processing: x101/031203/doit.pro
24nov03 comb at 327
Mhz. (top)
(note: this comb is coming from the sb
tx console in the dome)
A comb appeared at 327 Mhz sometime in oct or nov03. Data was taken
on 24nov03 with the interim correlator using a 25 Mhz bw, 2048
channels,
1 second sampling, and centered at 327 MHz. An az swing was done from
az=290
(za=10) clockwise to an az at 660 using a rate of .4 deg/sec. The az
was
then swung counter clockwise from 660 to about 540 (where is stopped
because
the cable car was in use). The plots show the
comb at 327 Mhz:
- Fig 1 Top is the average of the clockwise spin. Black is
polA, Red
is polB. The units are Tsys (about)...Bottom: This is the
average
of the counter clockwise spin. The vertical scale is blown up to show
the
smaller birdies.
- Fig 2 This shows the spacing between the birdies. A
baseline
was
fit to the non-comb values and then removed. All measurements above 1.5
Tsys were flagged as comb members. Combs in adjacent freq channels were
collapsed to the channel with the largest value. The frequency
difference
was then computed between all of the adjacent comb members. The data
was
plotted with the comb intensity versus the comb frequency step. The
points
clustered at multiples of 372 Khz with the largest number occurring at
327*2=745 Khz. Black is polA, Red is polB, and green lines are
multiples
of 372 kHz. The top plot is the clockwise spin, the bottom plot is the
counter clockwise spin.
- Fig 3: This is the strength of each comb element vs
azimuth
position
for all of the comb members found. The top plot is the clockwise spin,
the bottom plot is the counter clockwise spin. Colors differentiate
different
comb members (note that the colors on the top plot do not necessarily
correspond
to the same frequency for that color on the bottom plot).
The comb spacing is 372 kHz with the strongest values at 745 Khz
(actually 371.97Khz generates the comb at 327 MHz). There is variation
in the power for each element vs azimuth but it does not look like
something
that would be coming from a tower far away. The dropouts and increases
do not repeat with azimuth implying that they are a time variation
rather
than an azimuth dependence. The birdie is probably on the platform or
even
in the dome. It would be interesting to take some data with the doors
to
the turret room open and then closed.
processing:x101/031124/doit.pro
24jul02 2 MHz
comb
in 327 Mhz receiver (resolved).
(top)
A 2 Mhz comb was found in the 327 Mhz receiver. It is at the
odd Mhz 327,329,331,.. Mhz. It is offset from the Mhz by +3.737Khz.
Looking
more carefully you can also see a birdie offset by the same amount at
326,328,330,....
The comb must be a 1 Mhz square wave with the even harmonics non-zero
because
of imperfections in the square wave. The birdie goes away when the
receiver
is put on load so it is coming in through the front end. The first lo
was
shifted and the comb remained at the same rf frequency so it is not
coming
in after the first mixer.
Data was taken with the correlator in 195Khz/2048
channels (with hanning smoothing). This has a 190 hz resolution.
Band passes were centered at 327,329,331,and 333 Mhz. 1200 records were
then taken while various devices were turned on/off and doors opened,
closed.
The 327 MHz birdie was then mixed down close to
base band and sampled with the radar interface at 10 Khz. This measured
the width and drift rate of the signal.
The plots show the results of these measurements (note.. the plots
call it a 2 MHz comb since the odd harmonics were so much stronger):
- Comb
offsets
from
327,329,331, and 333 MHz The comb is
offset
3.737 Khz above 327,329,331,333, etc. The spacing is 2 Mhz within the
measurement
resolution.
- Drift
rate
of
birdie at 327 Mhz. The for the 157 seconds of
the
measurement the signal drifted at .041 hz/second. At 327 Mhz this is a
stability of .041/327e6= 1.25e-10 fractional change/second. 3.2 seconds
of data were taken for each spectra giving a resolution of .3 hz. It
has
still not been resolved in the last spectra.
- Data was taken for 1200 seconds using the correlator. During
this time
the doors going out to the stairwell were opened and closed a few
times.
The doors to the iflo racks were also opened and closed. The plot shows
the birdie
at
331
Mhz -Tsys versus time for the 1200 seconds. The only
thing
that correlates is the opening and closing of the outer doors. Opening
and closing the iflo racks did not make a large difference.
Resolution:
Conducting
gasket in huffman box degrades with time.
After turning off a number of equipment it was found
that the birdie was coming from the power meter that is used to measure
the power in the 430 Mhz wave guide. It is located on the ceiling of
the
turret room inside a huffman box. It has an rf cable going to it from
the
wave guide, a fiber optic cable sending the signal downstairs, and an
ac
power code that goes through an ac power filter at the input.
Inside
the box is a pc card with a VtoF converter on it. This card uses a 1
Mhz
crystal. There is another of these boxes in the carriage house
measuring
the 430 Mhz output power. At first the ac power filter was
suspected
as the culprit. The box in the carriage house was brought down and
tested.
The main problem was the conducting gasket around the inside top of the
huffman box. It was supposed to improve the contact between the top and
the box when the top was closed. The gasket was a rubber (neoprene?)
material
with a conductive coating. Where the gasket was in contact with the box
(top or bottom) the gasket was still conducting. The edge of the gasket
had a dark strip which was no longer conducting so the top of the
gasket
was no longer electrically in contact with the bottom. When the box was
closed the gasket was acting as an insulator for the top. The guess is
that the part of the gasket in contact with the air oxidized the
conducting
material. This is a serious problem since most of the huffman boxes we
have use this gasket material. It is probably why the color camera
birdie
was not there when the cameras were installed in their new shielded
boxes
and then reappeared 6 months later.
processing:x101/020724/327xxx.pro
01dec03 327 Mhz comb
coming
from sb Tx room in dome.
On 01dec03 data was taken with the 327
receiver
while tracking blank sky. The correlator was set for 2048 channels over
25 MHz (centered at 327 MHz) and 2048 channels over 195 kHz (centered
at
321.7 Mhz. The data was dumped at 1 second intervals and hanning
smoothed
to give resolutions of 24 kHz and 190 Hz. While the data was being
taken,
the doors to the sband transmitter room was opened and closed as well
as
the door to the turret room. Data was taken for 2200 seconds.
We knew that the signal was coming in through the
horn (since it went away when put on load). The doors should give some
shielding to birdies generated inside the rooms. If the birdie strength
increased when the door was opened, then it was probably coming from
inside
the room. The plots shows the
327 comb data while the room doors where opened and closed.
- Fig 1 This is the average of the 2200 seconds of data. Black is
polA
and
red is polB (polB has been offset in frequency by a few channels for
display).
The top plot is the 25 MHz band (24 kHz resolution while the bottom
plot
is the 195 kHz band (190 Hz resolution). The 190 hz resolution data did
not resolve the comb.
- Fig 2. This is the time series for the 321.75 Mhz, 190 Hz wide
channel.
The top plot is the entire 2200 seconds (it took me awhile to get up to
the dome to open/close the doors). The bottom plot is a blowup of 300
seconds
when the transmitter room doors were opened/closed twice. The dashed
green
line is when the transmitter door was opened. The blue line is when the
door was closed. (these times could have been off by a few seconds. You
can see that the power in the channel went up by almost a factor of 7.
This shows that the comb is coming from inside the room.
The dip at 1250 seconds is when i opened the door
rapidly and then closed it to get into the room for the first time.
When
I closed the door, it must have made better contact than previously.
processing: x101/031201/doit.pro
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