Tiedowns

28jul03

Misc. notes on things.
motor/amp specs
Failure and modifications log
Limit switch positions/encoder reference
Description of AtoD signals.
Tiedown power supply startup sequence.
Load cell resistances measured at input to amp (used to see if db25 connector has blow filter)
Load cell info: locations, history, factory calibration.
Tiedown reference position.
hardware
Description of specific events
29may08: tiedown positions during the painting project.
07apr08: td8 stops moving.
28jan08: Check the torque in td12 after adjusting current limit.
16jan08: td12 stops because it doesn't have enough torque to move.
07dec07:equalizing the td positions after removing the lead in the platform corners.
16mar06: td12 does not always start when it is requested to.
02mar06: td12 releases because of bad enc reading.
02sep05: td tensions after loadcells calibrated.
25jun05: td12 releases after lightning strikes td12.
03feb05: td12 moves erratically then goes into fold back.
15nov04: td4. power supply short, motor overspeed.


Limit switch positions/encoder reference:

 
Current td hardware limits (encoder inches)
td/date final limit  prelimit tapeMeas  inch
(when enc=13")
12 (23.28,0.86) 14aug06
(23.28,0.86) 17mar06
(23.21,1.19) 04aug03
(22.461,1.668) 14aug06 lost .3"!!
(22.69,1.57) 17mar06
(22.62,1.9 ) 04aug03
26 3/8" 18mar05
4 (23.19,1.37) 13may04 ( 22.82,2.01) 13may04 27" 18mar05
8 (23.21,1.19) 30jul03 (22.5,1.9) 30jul03 25 15/16 18mar05

    There is a pre and final hardware limit switch for the upper limit and the lower limit on each jack. The actions of the limts are:

    We have  measured the location of the jack at the limit positions using the encoder value and a tape measure (see td manual log section for the reference positions). This has also been done at some interim jack positions. If you lose the encoder position (an encoder fails and the jack moves before a new encoder is installed), then these measurements can be used to calibrate the new encoder. This can be done by:
  1. move to a limit position (when the limit switch triggers) and then adjust the encoder to match the last encoder measurement at this position.
  2. Measure the jack position with a tape measure and then interpolate what the encoder position should by using the encoder reading/tape measuremets and the two limits
  3. Move the jack until the tape measure agrees with a miscLocation measurement and then set the encoder position accordingly.
    Using the limit switches is a bit tricky since when they trigger depends on how fast you drive into the limit (you should do it slowly). If you do have to recalibrate an encoder, it is a good idea to remeasure all of the positions (limits,tape, misc) so you can see how close you got to the old position.

    Whenever we survey from AO9, we use the current encoder values to determine how to move the tiedowns. So by definition, after an ao9 survey, the tiedown positions are now correct. This is not quiet true since we have been using the focus curves to determine the focus rather than the ao9 survey value.

The table below has the measured values of the position using encoder and tape measure. Encoder values 24 inches is when the jack is fully retracted (high tension). 0 encoder inches is when the jack if fully extended (low tension).The cols in the table below are:

Note: The computer displays call the limits at 24 encoder inches (high tension) the down limits while the limts at 0 encoder inches are called the upLimits.
 
Measured positions for limits/miscPos using encoder and tape measurements.
date td hardware limits (encoder inches) Limits Tape(hi,lo) MiscLocation 
encoder, tape
18mar05 12
4
8
I put all jacks at 13" and then measured the dist from bottom of aluminum plate to top of ridge on jacks (see luis's picture). These look like the old values back in 2001.
13", 26 3/8"
13",27"
13",25 15/16"
17mar05 12 finalLim12:(23.28,0.86 ) preLim(22.69,1.57)
finalLim12:(23.21, 1.19) preLim (22.62, 1.9  ) old values
final limits computed from previous prelim,flim differences.
td 12 jack replaced (see above)


28feb05 4 finalLim4:(23.19,1.37)  preLim(22.82,2.01
Prelim measured, flim computed from old flim and distance change for prelim.

13. , 37 "
13may04 4 finalLim4:(23.24,1.28) preLim:(22.87,1.91)
jacklimLow: went to .057 inches then stopped. Had not hit limt yet. 
jackLimHi: went to 23.875 then stopped. currents started to go up.

13" , 36 15/16"
10may04 4 jack broke, had to replace. this required the encoder to be removed as well as the limits.

06aug03

12
    13" , 35 15/16" 
13" , 36 13/16" 
13" , 36 7/8"
06aug03 4 finalLim4:(23.2,1.2) preLim4:(22.7,x.xx)
jackLim0:went to 0" enc , did not hit end of travel. 
jackLim24: stopped at 23.9998 inches. 
full speed into final limit stopped at 23.26 
full speed into prelimt stopped at 22.77


06aug03 4 rotated limit switches to face away from box. moved mounting bracket for limit switches so previous tape measurements are no longer valid.

04aug03 12 finalLim12:(23.21, 1.19) preLim12:(22.62,1.9)
jackLim0:hit endOf travel a little beyone 0"(enc) 
jackLim24:hit end of travel a little beyond 24"(enc). 
full speed into final limit (no tension) stopped at 1.177 enc 
full speed into prelim (no tension) stopped at 1.7 enc. 
full speed into prelim stopped at 22.72 (enc)
   
30jul03 

 

8 finalLim8:(23.2088, 1.19)  prelimit8:(22.6,1.9)
jackLim0:ran jack to  0" (enc) didn't hit end of travel
jackLim24:ran jack to 24"(enc) didn't end of travel. 
Full speed into prelimit (no tension) cpu stopped within about .2 inches.
   
2003??   replaced all limit switches.Previous limit switch positions no longer valid    

 


24sep01 8 finalLim8:(22.20,1.08)   (13.07, 25 3/4)

4 finalLim4:(22.82, 1.92)   (14.44, 25 1/4)

12 finalLim12:(22.29, 1.85   (14.70, 24 7/8)

 


08feb00 8 finalLim8:(22.20, 1.19)    

4      

12 finalLim12:(22.29, 1.43)    

 


28aug98 8 finalLim8:(21.79 , 1.20) (17       , 37 9/16)  

4 finalLim4:(23.21 , 1.95) (16 5/8, 37 7/8)  

12 finalLim12:(22.14 , 1.52) (17 1/2, 38 1/8)  

    The software limits used to limit the requested positions are .2 inches inside the final limits. They are in the file /home/phil/h/tieProg.h
 
software request position limits.
start date td12 td8 td4
08feb00 (22.29,1.43) (22.87,1.93) (22.20,1.19)
xxx (21.79,1.2) (22.14,1.52) (23.21,1.95)


Tiedown power supply startup sequence:   (top)

The tie motor power supply will provide 3 phase power to the motor if:
  1. the safety is closed.
  2. the master contactor is closed.
  3. there are no power supply faults.
  4. you have requested the tiedowns to move.
The little star uses a two step startup sequence driving 24 volts through:
  1. POWER1 to energize the master contactor relay to startup
  2. POWER2 to drive the master contactor relay during normal operation inline with the power supply fault contactor and the safety.
The normal sequence is:
  1. reset will close the safety if there are no safety problems (eg.blk liftoff, emg stop, etc.).
  2. You must command the tiedowns to move (it can be to the current position) or use the pcu to turn the drives on.
  3. The little star will driver 24 volts through POWER1  dio2 pin 2,3 for about 300 milliseconds. This provides power to the master contacter relay PS_MC_R if the saftey is closed.
  4. PS_MC_R closes the master contactor and the 3 phase power is supplied to the power supply. The power supply will then close the power supply fault contactor (PSR_4_FAULT* goes high). 24 volts is wired through the power supply fault contactor, throught the POWER2 contactor in the little star, the safety, and then the PS_MC_R.
  5. The little star loops up to 20 times checking to see if PSR4_FAULT* goes high (about 100ms/loop i think). This is pin DIO1 J3 pin4 --> lsPin03.  If after 20 times through the loop the contactor hasn't closed, then the little star will drive POWER1 to 0, open POWER2 and log fault 12 (PSR_FAULT psr4F).

  6. Once the little star sees PSR4_FAULT* go high, it turns on (closes) POWER2. After one cycle it will drive POWER1. The PW_MC_R is now getting 24 volts through pwrsupply fault contactor, POWER2 and  the safety contact. If any of these go away, then PS_MC_R  will lose its 24 volts  and the master contactor will open (removing the 3 phase power to the power supply).


Load cell resistances measured at input to amp.  (top)

     The wheatstone bridge in the load cells has 4 wires that go to the amplifier in the td box. The are labeled: Ex+,Ex-,Sig+,Sig-. If you remove these cables at the amplifier you can measure the load cell resistance. This is a quick way to check if the load cell is healthy. It also will show problems in the cable from the loadcell to the box and the db25 connector that brings the cable into the box (it contains filters that can blow out).

In the table below:
        amp 1 is the top    amplifier
        amp 2 is the bottom amplifier
        cable 1 normally goes to the top amp
        cable 2 normally goes to the bottom amp
see the drawing in the td manual for where the load cell is located on the yoke.

To do the measurement:

  1. turn off amplifier
  2. remove the 4 wires that go to the amplifier.
  3. remove tension on the load cell by raising the  jack. Point the  dome point at the tiedown.
  4. measure the resistance at the 4 wires that connect to the amp.
  5. The sparcarrestor,and db25 filter should be in place.

resistance values for loadcell cables at input to loadcell amplifier
td,ldcell,cable Ex+ to 
Sig-
Ex+ to 
Sig+
Ex-to 
Sig-
Ex- to 
Sig+
date
12-1,90408 289.7(1) 268.6 267.6 267.5 09nov06 (1)
12-1,90408 267.9 268.4 267.6 267.9 17jan05






12-2,90409 264.2 264.4 264.5 264.5 09nov06
12-2, 90409 267.1 267.5 268.2 268.1 17jan05






4-1,90401 267.8 268.2 267.8 268.2 02sep05++
4-1,90410 267.3 268.7 267.8
237.4** 
267.5 17jan05
4-1,90410,1 268.4 267.7 268.9 270.4 31oct01






4-2,90458 264.8 264.9 264.9 265.1 02sep05++
4-2,90458 264.2 264.3 264.7 264.7 17jan05
4-2,90458 264.5 264.6 264.9 265.0 31oct01






8-1,90407 268.2 269.6
357.6**
268.8 269.7 02sep05 ++
with filter
8-1,90407 268.1 267.9 268.3 268.3 17jan05
8-1 ,90407,1 268.0 268.3 269.1 269.3 31oct01






8-2,90459 268.6 268.6 268.1 268.2 02sep05 ++
8-2,90459 268.7 268.6 268.6 268.3 17jan05
8-2,90459,2 268.5 267.4 268.2 268.3 31oct01
8-2,90459,1
When db25 filter bad
264.2 352.3 ** 352.4** 268.2 31oct01

The values with ** had bad filters in the db25 connector.
++ removed the filter because it was bad (and had no spares)


Load cell Info:locations,history,calib    (top)

loadCellNaming conventions

Load Cell locations By Date
date
td12-1
td12-2
td4-1
td4-2
td8-1
td8-2
23jun08
147697 207629
90410 90458 90407 90459
14nov06
147697
90409 90410 90458 90407 90459
14aug98
90408
90409
90410
90458
90407
90459

Load Cell factory calibration pages:

Tiedown reference position:

    The tiedown reference position is a combination of the value in ~phil/vw/tdAutoTrk.h and the offsets in the tcl routines tietrk.proc and tiepos.proc. The Reference position is usually for a temperature of 70F.
date
tieRefUsed [td12,4,8]
tdAutoTrk.h
Offsets
Notes
07apr07
14.9276,15.4311,12.3753
14.875,14.616,13.243 .05257,.81511,-.8677
lead from corners, laser shack removed. Painting project weight on platform.
06dec07
15.1140,15.7028,11.9171 14.875,14.616,13.243 .2390,1.0868,-1.3259
after 06dec07 tilt run. Painting project weight off platform.
09dec07
15.1140,15.2028,15.1670 14.875,14.616,13.243
.2390,.5868,1.9241
After td nuts moved to equalize td positions.
10dec07
15.0718,15.3196,15.0926
14.875,14.616,13.243
.1968,.7036,1.8496
Updated using the first two aswings done on 10dec07.

 

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